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How are you doing today, Andy?

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Just fine, this is Andy Velkoff and
we have a great show for you today.

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We have Larry Saltzman who
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He's a consultant in the computer business
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films, movies,
I guess those are the same thing.

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We're also going to be talking with
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former marketing director at Commodore
who's going to be giving us the outlook

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for 1985 and personal computers.

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This week the famous Computer Cafe
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to back and first of all Larry I want to
welcome you to the famous computer cafe

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thank you I'm glad to be here is there
anything we can get you while you're here

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no I've already had my lunch oh you have
okay well sip on some water and we'll

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and we'll just talk about computers okay
first of all why don't you start by

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telling us a little bit about your background
who you who are you and why why are

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you here on the show today why would I
even have you here right well that's a

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good question no I'm a consultant and
trainer on personal computers but I

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specialize in the entertainment industry
and I got into computers through being

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in the entertainment industry first and
starting to use them about four years ago

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for attempting to use them for a variety
of things at first what were you doing

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in the entertainment business well I'd
been a film editor and I'd worked as a

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post-production supervisor and I had
done work in production for a variety of

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companies and about four years ago I began
to attempt to do budgets and logging

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of film keeping of records and various
sorts of things I thought it would be

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better on a computer and I bought my
first Apple too uh-huh and then what

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happened well that kept growing and one
day I looked around and I was out of the

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entertainment business and into the
computer business because I kept doing more

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and more jobs and people began paying
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subsequently sort of started this
organization called the Association of

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Entertainment Industry computer professionals
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of us who are working professionally with
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now as you were explaining to me a little
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a user group right this is something a
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are what with the best definition we've
come up with is providers of solutions

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people who are software developers
programmers consultants trainers people who

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work in the large MIS departments which
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studios and the larger independence and
all of us realize that we had a lot of

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talking to do to each other because
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computers in the entertainment industry
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iceberg I guess for people who've been
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long that that explosion of micros is a
little frightening oh yeah because you

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know departments were 15 or 20 people ran
these large mainframes but that's all

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they had to do suddenly they're expected
to provide service and training and

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support and almost be like therapists if
you really want to know with people's

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attitudes towards computers they have to
maybe provide that for companies with

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two three thousand employees and they
don't you know they're they're scrambling

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to just stay up with all the software
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happy I can imagine I can imagine so
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consultant right yeah I work with
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contract basis with the various studios
or different places now what kind of

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things are people doing in the entertainment
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know is word processing people are using
it computers to write scripts right yeah

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that's been I think the scripts were
almost the first breakthrough and writers

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are really some of the least technology-minded
people but they have appreciated

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what an incredible tool that writing a
screenplay on a computer provides them

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because it's very screenplays are very
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rewriting and lots of deadlines and lots
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extra edge of creativity because you're
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attempting to meet a deadline in a show
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script because they've made a few piddling
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would imagine one of the things having
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different indentations and all right
different I don't want to know what the word

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is well it's all sort of formatting
problems yeah and there's been a special

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program called script or written which
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done in a word processor and it and it
does all the special formatting very

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intelligently that screenwriters need
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numbers the scenes and handles all the
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time saver even above and beyond regular
word processing it's one of a number of

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different programs in different areas
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what else where else would do you find
microcomputers in the business you

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certainly find them on productions on
film and video productions there are

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programs that have been used now to do
the budgeting and scheduling and the cost

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accounting on feature films and in some
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30 million dollars most of the major
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systems there's one called dot zero
another called data mogul there's just a

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variety of them data mogul yeah and
you know I MGM has been using them for

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several years on all their films now and
they're enormously helpful in bringing

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films in on budget what do they do that
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motion picture schedules like you know
in all three areas it's really they do a

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lot of things motion picture schedules
are very complex and somebody may go out

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and spend 20 million dollars in a two to
three month period moving thousands of

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employees props equipment around the world
now and keeping track of the schedule

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when it rains or a star gets sick and
changing it and juggling it's a nightmare

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and their special scheduling programs like
the dot zero program that do that and

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the same thing with budgeting you can
do and redo budgets until you get them

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where you want them and have much more
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cost accounting as these films go around
the world they're sometimes issuing

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checks in eight currencies in the old
mainframe days they really didn't know a

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show was going over budget until the damage
was done and now it's often possible

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to to with the computers to find it really
early on in the going and do something

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about it while you can still control it
so do most people then take the computers

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with them on location oh yes apple twos
and IBM's and k pros and all kinds of

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personal computers are traveling around
the world now there's been shows done in

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almost every country of the world that's
great and now you help people write

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software for these no that kind of software
is written what we what we really do

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is we train people how to use them and
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people often call us doing the classic
thing of having bought a computer for

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which none of this software is written
you know they'll call us and say well we

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bought XYZ computer and I'll say that's
nice but there's nothing you can do with

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it in this particular industry so we try
to help people before they make those

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mistakes and waste that money and then
train them afterwards so there's really

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you know enormous number of programs go
being developed now we've written some

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special ones but for things like film
libraries we did the Ed Sullivan film

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library and wrote a program to keep
track of that what are you doing you're

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keeping track of all the different yeah
they told us a neat story well it's that

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which actually is almost a disaster they
almost threw all that away when he died

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and now those 26 years of the Ed Sullivan
show are really a historical valuable

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collection and people buy footage from it
of various performers all the time like

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Elvis Presley buddy Holly Cole Porter and
what we did is wrote a library system

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that on a PC allows them to look up any
artist any performer any show whether

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they have the rights to sell it all
kinds of things they need to know that's

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great well listen let's take some calls
from our listeners we have a few people

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waiting on the line hi this is Ellen
Walker and you're on the air who's this hi

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Lisa what can we do for you today well
I wanted to ask if he could recommend a

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particular book or program for me I'm a
beginner I just got an apple macatoss a

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couple weeks ago and I just want to learn
the basics of computer programming okay

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well if you're gonna learn how to write
programs and I assume by that do you mean

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you really want to write programs you
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people often confuse that term okay well
you're gonna start out working in basic

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that's about the easiest language to start
in and if you go into any of the big

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chain bookstores or any almost any software
store retail computer store you will

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find specific books I couldn't give you
a title that have the Apple version of

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basic well I did go on a bookstore and
there's just such a wide selection yeah I

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don't think you can go too wrong I honestly
I knew much more about the books that

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offer IBM than Apple but I think if you
can find any book for the Macintosh that

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says that will teach you step by step
how to use their basic their particular

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version of it not a generic one I don't
think you can go too wrong I mean it's a

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hard job learning how to program but
that's where you'll have to start there's

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Lisa there's probably I think there are
a few books out for programming on the

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Macintosh and if you can't find one
specifically and I recommend you find one

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that's specific to the Macintosh you
might try just calling Apple and I'm sure

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they would know the other thing that I
found really helpful I'm trying to learn

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Pascal right now and it's great to read
a book but it's really much more helpful

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to have somebody around who knows it and
you know not that you're gonna spend

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eight hours a day with that person but
it's great to have someone to go to when

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the book doesn't answer your question
you know so if you have any friends who

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know basic well I would I would recommend
as you try to set up some sort of

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arrangement where you can call them in
case you have a problem because that's to

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me that's the most that's the best way
to learn yeah I think that's true there

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the books cannot teach you everything
that's more Laura that programmers have in

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their mind than what's written in the
book yeah it gets programs written I have

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one more thing I understand what database
management is exactly sure I can and

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it's very hard to explain because it's a
very complex procedure but really what

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it means is you've got an electronic
filing cabinet a list of information that

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you keep in your computer in the form
of records and if you visualize them as

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sort of three by five index cards and
each one has certain categories of

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information like name phone number that's
the best way to visualize in a database

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is a program that will get out and use
the information now on the Macintosh and

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as most computers there's things called
file management simple systems which are

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sort of simplified databases and are
quite easy to learn and they'll show you

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what most of the features and attractions
are and then you move on to more

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complex ones like D base two or three I
think D bases is out it will shortly be

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out on the Macintosh yeah and that will
be fine okay Lisa thank you very much I

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hope we answered your questions and
keep listening and we're gonna go to a

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message right now when we come
back we'll take some more calls

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tutorial on the back of the disk that
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Hi this is Ellen and we're back with
Larry let's take another call hi you're

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on the air this is Ellen who's this?

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Well hi Ellen this is Jonathan of Hollywood Hi

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Jonathan of Hollywood how you doing today?

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Hey I'm okay Well good do you
have a question for Larry?

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Well I got a point here you were talking
about Larry you were talking about the

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budgeting programs being written now for
the movies and I don't know if you read

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but recently in one of the trade magazines
the author of Andromeda Strain and

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Congo Michael Crichton recently introduced
his own budgeting program where you

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just put in your data of the particular
film and you get the information back I

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mean immediately yes that's one of several
good budgeting programs that are out

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and it's true I mean you can go through
very quickly it does all the math for you

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as I said there's that one dot zero is
a very good one it's been used on a

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lot of shows what's his called?

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Dot zero oh that is it oh great oh you
want to know what Michael Crichton's one

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is called? yeah dot zero right but I
have another question wait Michael

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Crichton's is not dot zero that's a
different one oh it's not what is his?

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I believe his is going to be called I may
be wrong and somebody will be mad if we

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if I am but I think his is constant C
is the name of it right okay well we'll

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have to see I'm not really doing that
sort of work yet so I don't have to worry

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about running that program I wanted to
know if nowadays with the digital musical

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equipment and the MIDI interfaces
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what do you call that the compact disc
are they ever going to reduce the size of

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the laser disc and use the compact disc
storage as a medium for the musical

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sequences and notes for what do you call
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not totally sure what you mean but I'll
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that aren't there there already are systems
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and hard discs that will print out the
orchestration no no I know about that I'm

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just thinking of mass data storage and
oh well there will be sure yeah there's

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gonna be within the year you're gonna
see very giant I'll give you a technical

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term but it's a lot of information gigabyte
size laser discs on the market that

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will hold computer information and
the next few years they will probably

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revolutionize what's a gigabyte a billion?
it's a lot it's just a lot I don't

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remember how the number we have a joke
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nobody seems to know how much a gigabyte
is I think it's a billion bytes Bill Lab

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just brought out a million byte chip
right I know I read about it on the news

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here so gigabytes gotta be a billion bytes
yeah it's probably something like that

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it's a lot of a lot of bytes a hundred
megabytes can you imagine anyway thank you

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for calling I thank you and keep listening
to the show okay tomorrow you're

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having a fellow on from Roland right?
that's right I'll be listening okay thanks

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a lot bye bye okay we'll take one other
call hi you're on the air this is Ellen

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who's this? hi this is Ron hi Ron how are you?
you got a question? yes in the

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world of entertainment video tape editing
by computers is a big deal and that's

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mostly done by minis are there any micro
applications that you have? well it

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depends on which part of video tape editing
you're talking about I mean there's

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an there are dedicated computers inside
small editing systems for video tape

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companies like Convergence make them
you don't really have to do video tape

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editing on a mini computer it's rarely
done it's mostly dedicated computers and

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people are getting PCs now and attaching
them to their editing systems apples and

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IBM's and other ones and using them their
extra computing power to do more things

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like keeping a database or a file of all
the information on all the tapes they

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have and keeping records of it so they
can find things faster is there any

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particular ones that you recommend as far
as the system that you mentioned? these

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are really esoteric systems and I don't
have their names at my fingertips they're

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all brand new you'd you'd have to call
the station and I could you know tell you

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that from my office are you interested
in doing video tape editing or are you

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just curious? well both both okay okay
well good if you have a question just give

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us a call thanks a lot okay well listen I
think that's about all the time we have

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today it's amazing how half how quickly
a half an hour goes by I appreciate what

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you've what you've taught us today I've
learned a lot and I'd like to have you

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back sometime you know when there's when
there's new things to learn about in the

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entertainment business sure I'd be happy
to come it was a pleasure thank you

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Larry we'll be right back after this message

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well another half hour just shoots right
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so thank you all for joining us thank
you Larry for being here today we

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appreciate it and tomorrow we'll have
Jeff Rona from Roland talking about music

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and computers Thursday Mike Carboni talking
about computer furniture and Friday

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Terry Thormore Desgarde and Valerie
Miller talking about jobs in the computer

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business okay thanks for joining
us and we'll see you tomorrow